Did McG Lie About Cameron’s Approval of T4?

I’m more inclined to believe James Cameron to be honest. Mister McG talks a lot of hype in general.

I glanced at the title and saw “Cameron” and “T4″ and immediately thought, “Summer Glau in T4!”. Then, of course, I actually read the title … Whoops
Wishful thinking, though.

CAMERON HASNT MADE A DECENT MOVIE IN YEARS MAYBE HE IS IS PISSED OFF MCG (STUPID NAME) GOT CHRISTEN BALE?

if they would put Summer Glau in t4 i would start my own nuclear war without skynet i like tssc but no that wont work

I dont care what James Cameron honestly thingks of T4, I am a terminator fan and I want to see more done in the franchise, so i can care less if he blesses it or not…..and I agree with homeboy’s post above, James Cameron hasnt done anything impressive in movies in awhile now, so WHO CARES?

Yeah man, why care about what James Cameron thinks? He’s only the creator of the franchise. His opinion doesn’t matter. Oh wait…

HAHAHA, Fastpunk….

James cameron is the guy who said it was dead with T2 then made T23D that completely through out all the so called rules he put into “his” franchise….So basically thank you for the 1st 2 James but your days of having any input into the franchise is over…I like where this trilogy is going myself…..I will watch all 3.

I want to ask you something but i couldn’t find right topic to write, so i picked up newest one. (And sorry for my poor english)

McG said on his blog :

“This movie takes place several years after Judgment Day, but prior to 2029. Just like it took a long time to get an HD plasma screen in our world, it took Skynet a lot of research and development to get to the T-800, and this movie explores that “space between.” We have all been fascinated with the world after Judgment Day. Here it is.”

So may i ask you something ? In teaser John Connor says ” This is not the future my mother told me about.” So if John can say that, Skynet should be sent T-800 & T-1000 to back in time already. Why Skynet does need to research and development to get to the T-800 again ?

If the movie will explore “space between” it must take the place before Terminator 1 and 2. Otherwise there will huge spot in plot i think.

Bilge, to answer you -I hope- I would point out that all of the Terminators, to date, have been destroyed when they’ve been sent back. Even the space between T1 and 2, where an arm and CPU survived, Sarah, John, the T-800, and Dyson all went to destroy all of Skynet’s research. As well, it’s obvious there are gaps in Skynet’s memory, which would include the processes necessary for putting the T-800 together, because otherwise the T-800 in the first movie would not have needed a phone book to find Sarah Connor, and of all the Connor’s in the phone book, it could have identified her through extrapolation by use of an old high school photo, etc. So, Skynet still has to find a way to survive and, since the score is 5 for 5 in favor of the good guys, more damage will actually have been done to Skynet’s memory, the processes available to it to construct new machines, and therefore what Connor explained about this not being the future his mother talked about.

On another note… Kyle Reese was only able to describe, not show, Sarah about the future, and you know as well as I do that if one person whispers a rumor in the next person’s ear, and that rumor travels even ten people, it is inexorably different by the time it gets to that tenth person. So, Sarah was given enough in the first film that the character’s imagination could run wild and tell John all sorts of things, even though all she could give him would be nebulous details, at best. So, it would be reasonable for John, once the bombs drop and the ‘future’ begins, to assume that things are different because all his character has to work from are nebulous details.

Paradox. Kyle Reese is John Connor’s father; he came back in time when the original Judgement Day happened. However, you’re asking which came first, the chicken or the egg, and I’m saying it was both. Kyle Reese existed in the past, prior to John being born, and then grew up in the ashes of the nuclear fire, so though it is gross to think of, he would have been around to make Sarah pregnant originally, if that had been necessary.

Leaving that twisted train of thought… I don’t think it’s a matter of restricting the effect of John Connor just to Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese, but to expand it to more freedom fighters who had a true hand in what took place to bring John to power in the beginning, for the first paradox. No matter what manner of legend John Connor is, no man fights that sort of battle alone and, I suspect, it would require hundreds of thousands of people surrounding the man to accomplish all the necessary goals to even think of taking the fight back to Skynet.

With time travel there are 3 main ways of playing it
1) the future has already happened, you can’t actually change anything in the past
2) anything is easily changed and a new future is created
3) there are all these parallel universes created by changing the past

In the first movie it was #1. Skynet wanted to change the past (to change the future) but nothing was changed by the terminator going back, except it actually allowed John Connor to be created. A paradox (#1 above).

In the 2nd movie Skynet tried again, and on the other side “the good guys” also wanted to change the future, and this time it WAS possible….
…. since in the 3rd movie Judgement Day was delayed. (#2 above).

Then the Sarah Connor Chronicles changed that again. They found young John Connor and jumped him forward in time, AND they have lots of terminators trying to change the past, and resistance fighters trying to stop them.

So looks like the general principle of Time Travel here is #2 above - you can change things. That does mean that John Connor was originally not Kyle Reese’s son, but became that. It also means that every time there’s time travel it’s possible that John Connor is no longer the resistance leader (since he’s had a VERY different history thanks to terminators).

I know the TSCC producer said they were kind of ignoring T3 in making TSCC, but it’s quite possible to build it in, and I’d like to think that they could do an episode of T:SCC where
a) they change history to stop Judgement Day happening in T3 timeline (what date was that?)
b) they actually have Sarah Connor & young John meeting his “future wife” from T3 and working with her - after all in this history she was saved by Arnie (from the T-X) but Judgement Day didn’t happen. And she’s no longer the right age for John.

Greg, for your number 2, above, I agree with you that’s the general premise used in the movies and the TV show… however, I think the definition ought to be extended to include potential ripple effects and backlash on the timeline. That way, things are easily changed, but are also easily undone if there is enough change to put future events into motion that are not supported by events in the past, which means the change of the past events doesn’t actually have any effect to make the future ripple event(s) happen, ergo everything reverts and the cycle starts all over again in the past.

To clarify: TSCC isn’t “kind of” ignoring T3/T4. It’s a complete break in the storyline. While it’s fun to ponder how to integrate the two storylines, they are completely separate and mutually-exclusive canon. I think it’s unfortunate that Friedman & Co. decided to include a cancer scare plotline for Sarah in TSCC when in the T3 storyline Sarah died of leukemia, as it fosters confusion in this matter.

As far as John’s “this is not the future my mother warned me about” line in the teaser, he’s absolutely correct. In T1, Kyle Reese came back from a timeline where Judgment Day happened on August 29, 1997, the T-800 was the standard infiltrator, and the T-1000 was the top of the line prototype.

In T2, when Sarah decided to attack Cyberdyne rather than simply flee to Central America the timeline changed and the future from which Kyle, the two T-800’s, and the T-1000 came ceased to exist (or at least became irrelevant). Judgment Day was delayed to July 24th, 2004, resulting in a higher overall tech level when Skynet started the war. This allowed for the development of the T-850 (Arnold’s model in T3) and T-X. It also resulted in a timeline where John Connor didn’t survive the war. We don’t know if the events of T3 are part of that timeline or if they change things even further, so at this point it’s no longer a given that the humans will survive at all. I believe that this is what John is referring to in the trailer. It could very well be that Sarah’s decision to attack Cyberdyne, while well-intentioned, actually makes things *worse* for humanity.

As for John’s “original father”, well, it’s a glitch in the story. It seems to make sense thought that the future we saw in T1 and T2 is not the *original* timeline either. How things originally played out and how many different iterations of the timeline there have been are anybody’s guess.

Leukemia - any of several cancers of the bone marrow that prevent the normal manufacture of red and white blood cells and platelets, resulting in anemia, increased susceptibility to infection, and impaired blood clotting.

In the episode about the nuclear power plant -it’s too early to look it up- I’m pretty sure at least one of those Terminator’s is a T-X… in fact, I think it’s the one that gets stuffed in the barrel at the end.

I don’t believe, based on what I’ve seen -and I don’t have the episodes to prove it, so it’s just more a feeling at this point-, that a complete break was made with the T3 storyline. There are elements that have been part of the story in TSCC from the beginning which had origins in T3.

I’ve been working in the military aircraft industry for over a decade, now, and I’ve seen lots of models of the same aircraft, and higher technology does not determine how an airframe, overall, is changed, though models within that airframe may be changed to take advantage of the better technology. Your argument about the T-800, T-850, and the triple 8 from TSCC really doesn’t hold water as a result; they are simply models within the Terminator frame, but they’re all the same frame.

Although I do agree with you that technology improved after the first movie, hence the T-1000, and somewhat after the second movie, hence the T-X, it seems to have declined after the third movie, according to what we’ve seen so far in the trailer. I say this because technology seldom gets larger and more unwieldy with higher technology, rather becoming smaller and deadlier. In the trailer, one fella is ripped through the roof of a factory by some huge automaton with a big nasty claw. Now, that’s just my opinion, and here’s another one…

Since John Connor, as I’ve already explained in this thread, has not actually seen the future, and couldn’t until he arrives there, there is no way for him to equate his, or his mother’s, images of the future with what’s really there. Not only that, but it’s very early in the war when T4 will come out, so things will obviously be very different in the future. So, the future MAY be the same, based on McGs setup for T4-6, as seen in the first 3 movies, but the character can’t see it in the first movie.

Okay, there are *no* T-X’s in TSCC. The T-X simply does not exist in that version of the story. Greenway is a T-888. He displays none of the unique characteristics of the T-X and his endoskeleton doesn’t even vaguely resemble that of a T-X.

I’m not speculating on the break between TSCC and T3/T4. It’s established canon. Josh Friedman has stated unambiguously that it’s a complete break. McG has acknowledged that it’s a complete break. I’ve personally spoken at length with Timothy Zahn, who is writing the prequel novel for T4. While he could not reveal any plot details for T4 he did confirm unequivocally that the only thing that T3/T4 shares with TSCC is the back story of the first 2 movies and the unfortunate cancer parallel.

Even a cursory look at the storylines shows fundamental incompatibilities. In T3 Sarah died in 1997. TSCC opens in August of 1999 - two years later - with Sarah very much alive and John *not* living on his own as a drifter. Additionally, in TSCC the characters travelled from August 1999 to September 2007, completely skipping over July 24, 2004, the revised Judgment Day according to T3/T4. We *see* Judgment Day happen in T3, but in the first episode of TSCC Judgment Day is given as April 21, 2011. These aren’t minor details. They’re the major events of the Terminator saga.

The T-850 is an evolutionary improvement over the T-800. It’s a little stronger, a little more durable, has a different power supply, and has minor software improvements. The T-888 is a major improvement. It’s significantly stronger (compare Cromartie’s demolition of the bank vault in the first episode of TSCC with the T-800’s more difficult time getting through a much weaker factory door at the end of T1) and able to withstand much more damage (including decapitation?!?). Either the T-850 or the T-888 could be considered updates from the T-800, but the huge jump in capability from the T-850 to the T-888 seems a bit inconsistent. BTW, I think that you missed my point that the T-800 and the T-1000 *did* come from the same timeline. The first time we see the timeline changed is when Sarah decides to attack Cyberdyne in T2. (This is explicitly stated in the novelization of T2.)

You speak of a decline in Skynet’s technology between T3 and T4. This makes perfect sense. The T-850 and T-X came from the close of the war and represent nearly three decades of Skynet’s technological development. T4 takes place at the beginning of the war, when Skynet is first establishing a foothold in the post-nuke world and beginning its campaign against the survivors.

After read all the comments the only thing I have to say is the Terminator story could be anything, anytime, anywhere. if we try to understand the timeline, the models and the circunstances of the facts, we could became in a nutcases!!!!

Is fiction, but if we see all the technological advances on computers, networkings and medicine, I can say the fiction is too closer to be true.

meanwhile, enjoy the terminator franchise and stop argue!!!!

Now I understand why its not called terminator4 Just “Terminator Salvation” a different look of the movie
here is a link of the remixed video how it all started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu1V7YDGMrM