T4’s Ending Revealed! Maybe. POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Posted in Featured, T4: Terminator Salvation Movie News on 02-06-2008
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Ooooooooohhhboy. If this had come around, say, April 1st or thereabouts, I would have easily thrown it into the trash can and forgotten about it. But it didn’t, which doesn’t mean you should still believe it, because let’s face it, as much as I enjoy reading what the guys over at Aint-it-cool-news has to say, and what their spies send in to them, they really could give less than a crap if their “scoop” ends up correct or not. AICN is about “breaking” scoops, not necessarily breaking correct scoops. Having said that, I’m still going to warn people that this article CONTAINS POSSIBLE SPOILERS, so don’t continue reading even if you don’t want the possibility of learning how “Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins” ends…
Okay, you still here? Here’s what AICN’s spy sent in to them:
“Alright so the main character is a cyborg named Marcus. For some background, Marcus was a criminal who was executed in 2003. He donated his body to Project Angel which was involved with SkyNet. They take his body and make a terminator out of him so he’s a terminator skeleton but has living muscle/skin and a beating heart too. At the end of the movie John Connor is fighting a T800 model 101 and loses. He dies and the top resistance people come up with a plan to help the resistance keep fighting on. The resistance feels that it’s important to keep the image or idea that John Connor is still alive so the resistance keeps going. So they rip off Marcus’ skin and put John Connor’s on the skeleton so now Marcus is John Connor.”
Wow, really? I don’t know what to think. On one hand, why wouldn’t they do that? John Connor would, technically, STILL be alive, and Christian Bale would continue to play him, just as a “different” character, but playing the same character, if you know what I mean. It is certainly an intriguing idea if true, and I could see Bale taking on such a challenging role.
Also, from everything I’ve read, Marcus does indeed play an important role in the trilogy, and becomes a right-hand man to John Connor. And really, if they “killed” off John Connor, that would just piss off every single Terminator fan out there.
Then again — kill off John Connor and replace him with a bloody Terminator? That would just be FUBAR…
Right?
Update
CHUD has sort of confirmed AICN’s spoiler. Wow. Here’s what they said:
The rest of Mori’s spoiler – about the fate of Christian Bale’s John Connor – is stuff that I cannot confirm as solidly as Marcus the cyborg, but is what I had come to believe after talking to multiple sources. You may remember that I ran with the story that Bale would be playing a Terminator… well, I was sort of right. The confusion arose from the fact that by the end of the film, Connor is dead and Marcus, the cyborg Terminator, is impersonating him. This all leads into the thematic ground I told you about, the question of what makes someone a human.
Again. Wow.
Holy Crap.
Then again, maybe it does make sense, in a twisted sort of way. Remember, John Connor KNEW that he was sending his father to his death by sending him back in time, but he did it anyway. You would have to be pretty hardcore to do that, wouldn’t you? Maybe even have the cold heart of a machine, if you will…
I don’t buy it, but this would be awesome. I’m a Terminator fan, through and through, but anyone who knows his T movies knows T2 already ruined what T1 had established. And T2’s my favorite.
This ending would be great, but I’m not surprised that people are so upset about it. Most people don’t want things to be different.
The question of if he is still human is bogus. Sure it has a heart lungs and skin but no soul or mind just a computer set on random prossecing. If this is a real ending i am considering send many a angry letter to the offices or whatever they have. I no that wont do anything but the film industry needs to go back to the old way they made movies all the ones now are horrible. So i really hope this isnt true…
If this ending really is true, then it would kill a very important part in the terminator mythology: the part when John knowingly sends his father back in time to his mother ( and also Kyle’s certain death). It was to be the payoff for this whole prequal/sequal set up and if they kill John in 2018, its not John that is making that choice to do it. The emotional high point would mean nothing. In other words- BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!
Hmm…interesting
Of course John Conner sent back his father. Even though he knew he sent him to his death…without sending him back in the first place there is no John Conner, ergo no resisitance leader in the future. Since the series takes place as if there never was a third movie, it doesn’t come into play anywhere here. If John died, but they made him a Terminator, then there would be no reason for Kate to send one back in order to save him, because John would still be “alive.” Also the question of who is human is the biggest unanswerable question for the whole series, but the time twists are a great addition.
I’m not sure how the tv show and the movie are connected, but it would kind of make sense as far as the tv show goes cause it does seem as if he trust machines just as much as he trust humans even the one person that is constintly with him is a machine. Even in the movies it seems like there is a good number of machines allied with the humans.
“Skynet uses a Series 850 Terminator, with the Model 101 infiltration sheath to assassinate John Connor. This model is chosen because Skynet is aware of John’s emotional attachment to its appearance as a result of previous contact. The Terminator that killed John was captured, reprogrammed, and sent back by Connor’s wife Katherine Brewster to 2004 to protect John. ”
Source: http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/2032
Or Possibly that in a DVD provides a “Alternate” ending where He did lose.
Either way I can’t wait
Sourced from http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/John_Connor
“At an unknown date during the war, Skynet decided to try a new tactic to remove the leader of the resistance. Knowing the familiarity that Connor had with the T-800 unit, Skynet sent a T-850 that physically resembled the old model out to the human resistance bases where it eventually found John. His judgment clouded by memories of past experiences, he allowed the terminator into the base where it promptly killed him and a large portion of the leaders of the human resistance. This event occurs on July 4, 2032. However the fact Skynet sent back the T-X implies John’s death came too late to alter the course of the war.
The terminator was stopped before it could eliminate all of the leaders, and was eventually reprogrammed by Connor’s wife to serve as a protector once again. This terminator was once more sent back in time to protect John, only this time not under his direct command, but Kate Brewster’s. This leads into the events of Terminator 3, during which the T-850 reveals to Connor the date and circumstances of his future death. It is possible that, having learned of his fate, John would be able to avoid his death in the future, capture the T-850 and send it back himself. This leaves the true fate of John Connor open to speculation. ”
End Quote.
If that t4 ending is true then i’ma be really pissed off. Obviously its a April Fools prank brought out a lil bit early. Sorry guys, I don’t have much of a intelligent Response to this.
Spencer, T4 takes place in the year 2018.
I don’t believe the spoiler. According to T3, the terminator(Scwarzenneger) said John Connor was terminated July 4th 2032 and that it was he that killed him. Katherine Connor was the one who sent the terminator back in time. Also, T4 is taking place in 2029 which is 3 years before when John is supposed to terminated. Everyone must remember though what the future is based on in these movies. Te infamous Sarah Connor quote of “there’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.”
i think this would be plausible and intresting but theres some john conor bum boys that say its not the real john conor so they wont see the film it but if he did for instance get killed and got attached to a bot they could make it so he is injuried at the end of film and wakes up on an operating table next movie but u dont know if he survied or if he was attached to the robot which could be intresting if the humans dont know and the ones that would know if he had been turned into a robot died in battle when out in a squad with him but you still dont know if he killed them or if he is actually still human.
im not a hardcore fan but i liked the films and i wanted to see a terminator film set in the post apocalpytic future
way to negative on here, remember this movie is about time travel and apparently cyborgs, anything can happen. stop being so narrow minded.
And we’ve heard that the show doesn’t share the same storyline as the movies (post-T2). I guess when Cameron took them forward in time?
Anyway, if this rumor’s true I’m sticking with the show – which has turned out to be pretty frickin awesome. Like in the season premiere where she is begging him not to kill her and says I love you. Of course it was a lie, or was it? WTF? Awesome! Do you believe in the resurrection? Babylon? Sweet!
I am a dedicated Terminator fan, but what the hell? Them killing off John Connor and putting his skin on a Terminator? It doesn’t matter if the Terminator LOOKS like John Connor. It’s still not John Connor. And if they do that, it will RUIN every single Terminator movie, especially James Camerons. What’s the point of Sarah Connor protecting her son for all those years if he ends up dying a few years after Judgment Day? It’s almost as if it’s all for nothing.
whatever is the ending, bring on the machines!
If John Does indeed die in this movie, why dont they just turn him into a terminator just like what they did with marcus with project angel?
i dont know. Half of me thinks this possible “twist ending” could ruin the franchise and alienate the original fans, but at the same time I think it might work. Oh and by the way, isnt it possible that “The Terminator” killed the fake Connor without reallizing it? It seems fairly plausible to me.
It sounds… plausible…
But if i was a Resistance General I wouldn’t think making Marcus look like John Connor is a really good idea.
I mean think about it. yes the effect on the resistance would be bad that John was killed. But it would be worse later on when the “new John” cut his arm and everyone suddenly found out in the middle of a battle that they were actually taking orders from a Terminator!
For those who have watched the Sarah Connor Chronicles: Look at Derek Reese’s reaction to simply Working with a terminator.
This story was debunked by the T4 director himself almost as soon as it was released
Never said this movie would be bad, I said in my opinion.. if that spoiler is true. It won’t be something I would enjoy… and yes I am smart.
Hay hay people! Chill Out! Lets just get along and have a good time in here and help each other out on figuring out the plot and storyline. No name calling and definitely no fighting, peace.
Wow arent you just a smart guy…..First off you shouldnt be judging a film on what critics say alone and the only way to find out if it is a bad/stupid movie is to go see it for yourself as a true fan should. as for merchandise i never said that the studio did not expect to make money on a toyline, I just said they are not making the movie just to make money on a toyline, there is a difference PAL….
Oh, and for the record.. I never called you a sucker… I said you sounded like a sucker.
Anyways Collin
I call it how I see it, saying I’ll go see it no matter how stupid or bad it is because I’m a fan is nothing something a true fan would say. A true Fan would want them to make the best possible movie based on the established canon and mythos. Oh and if you think that the studio doesn’t expect to make bank on Terminator merchandise your naive or fooling yourself.
“Who knows…I’ll accept whatever end product they produce….because im a dedicated Terminator fan…”
Even if it’s a piece of crap they made to sell toys and not to enhance the story or mythos? Sounds like a true sucker not a true Terminator Fan.
Riiighhhtttt, Your mixing up The Terminator with Transformers, Terminator has never been about a toyline……and here is an idea, why dont you post an educated reply to another persons post instead of showing your true intelligense level….no reason to call people names up in here….
I don’t care how many sites say this is true, this can’t be true… it’s just too stupid. All that a side, in T3 the Model 101 Says he killed Connor in the future… yes.. in 2032… this movie takes place in like 2018 or something.
That sounds really cool!…A John Conner terminater?….bring it on!
There is somebody worth chatting with about possible storylines…..too many haters up in here that think they should have a say in what direction the movies should go in instead of being just a fan like they are and will be forever…
Who knows…I’ll accept whatever end product they produce….because im a dedicated Terminator fan…
Alright, calm down, this is complete bollocks. Someone’s pulling an April Fool’s joke in the first week of June. Someone’s trying to throw off the trail by changing the direction of the scent. I’ll see this movie when it comes out.
Now, in McG’s interviews he says he will stay as true as possible to Cameron’s work, and what is written above for this ’spoiler’ cannot even possibly be close, because it’s TOO wild. Now, if someone told me he dies toward the end of the second movie, I would be more willing to believe it, because then we carry on with Kate Brewster -because of the boneheads writing 4 being the same idiots that wrote 3- in the 6th part of this whole mess.
This is not something to be believed or fretted over. No, I’m not a spy, no I’m not anyone with special access, and no I’m not smarter than everyone else on the planet and I don’t know what’s going on in McG’s head, or those of the writers. However, I have a brain, and I know the first trilogy inside and out, and this plot setup stinks of prevarication. Good night.
If this is true it will only prove that everyone else in Hollywood should be BANNED from making any sequels to any of James Cameron’s classic movies.
As it stands now I will NOT see this movie in a theater until I confirm this rumor is false. This so called twist does nothing but DESTROY the previous trilogy (or at least it completes the work started by the poor but not abysmally bad T3).
No way do I see this movie if this is true. Because if I ever could erase the memory of worthless dreck called Alien 3 from my brain I would. If they try to ruin Cameron’s Terminator movies the same way, I’m just going to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Let’s not forget that Aliens was a sequel to Ridley Scott’s Alien so technically the alien franchise is not James Cameron’s. Besides, other than Terminator and Aliens Cameron sucks. Terminator 2 wasn’t that good, anyway.
SPOILER COMMENT
John Connor was said to be dead in the very first film, wasn’t he? I swear in one of the movies, maybe it was the third one (I seriously forgot), someone said that John Connor died fighting. So this is no surprise if true, but he has to die eventually if my memory serves me right.
Also you have too many domain names.
That’s true, John Connor was mentioned to have died in T3, and Kate Connor reprogrammed the Terminator that killed him and sent him back to fight alongside the younger him. In any case, Connor being killed as related in T3 doesn’t jive with what is said above — Connor is killed, but no one knows, etc.
Whats your source to this “throwing out T3 thing”? the last thing i heard was that T4 was happening sometime after T3 nothing about throwing out T3 all together…..Facts? Quotes? and more importantly a LINK?