John-Cameron hook up very cool and hope show comes back soon.

It would be cool if John hooked with the “human” version of cameron before they put her on the assembly line to be made into a terminator.

I believe that john built cameron and he loves her like he would a child. In a way is is inocent and her behavior is due to her programing but she is does not understand human emotions. She has a desire to understand humans and will eventually evolve. A physical relationship seems impossible and kind of hoaky. I think john is going to hook-up with the mysterious blond that is his lab partner, she may play the role of Kate Brewster in the future as this is now a different time line even thought many of the elements from T3 are present. ie Sarah’s death from cancer and John being eventually as stated by Derek in “Vick’s Chip”, killed by a Terminator in the future the “Arnold model from T3″. This must occur when Derek is still in the future because he knows about it. That maybe the reason he is sent back.

I think it would be very good to try some kind of relationship between the two characters. Cameron definitely comes across as being very unique and different. The idea of her developing empathy, caring and some form of love for a living being brings a sense of hope for the future. With her, we might see the next stage of evolution of machines, for the better.

i think that john and cameron could have a huge emotional connection but maybe not physical. I would love to see one where they would do anything for each other but maybe not a physical relationship

We’ve already seen that the T888 Vick was married to the human Barbara Chamberlain.
And Cameron is a more advanced, more human model.

John’s robot sister?
We have mother, uncle, son…
Can Cameron be a part of the family?

If I had a terminator like Cameron, id never leave the house.
lol!

Really though, if you had your own terminator that looked as good as Summer Glau did, would you atleast get yourself a peek?!?! c’mon people! We ARE human right??!?

It would be interesting in a way but realistically, let’s face it. Human vs machine, we are seeing a war between man against the machinesand so any sort of romance between a man with a machine would it be considered as a treason? Sarah hates the machines, Derek also hates machines and besides what would anyone think in the Human Resistance of they knew John had/have a romantic relationship with a machine? I prefer John to develop a bond with the mysterious blond high school colleague than with a machine.

There is a third option here. As in comment 6 by Ben, Cameron is a more advanced human model. Have her actually evolve into a real human being slowly over several seasons. Cameron said several times that she never sleeps. She could be standing by a window at night and the camera slowly pans around her from behind to her front. Her eyes could be closed, then she would wake up just as anyone would do if they went to sleep standing up. She could even wipe the drool from her mouth and look at it in her hand with that dazed look she gets at times. John could come in a second later and jokingly ask if she was asleep. She is good at keeping secrets from the humans, what better secret to keep?

One thing that is really being hinted at is that the humans do not think much of the machines idea of being self aware. That is a part of the wonderful tension that Cameron has introduced. She was insulted about the “plate-in-her-head” comment. She appeared to be afraid when John removed the chip from her head. Also, Andy said that SkyNET became scared, even paranoid just before declaring war on humanity.

A romantic relationship would be gross (despite Summer Glau’s megaton of hotness). The idea of John’s developing a father-like love for her works, and plays into the sense of hope in the midst of the plagues. She could represent the flip-side of humans’ discomfort with machine intellegence: that machines do not feel very comfortable with our idea of being self aware.

Great show! Please keep them coming!

lmao. that would be so awkward, shes a robot!

Interesting comment #12 James. A romantic relationship between the two, yes it is already begun in Vick’s chip, where Cameron sat and watched John as he watched the playback of Vick’s chip. Since they are a learning to computer, they will evolve but just for the sake of learning and not developing feelings, after all the core of the chip is a Terminator chip, a killing machine.

I think it’ll be a great idea to involve the two but no more than we would us and our cars. It would just be that old adage of man and machine romance.

I think in the future, John has kids with kathy Brewster in her cognito as Sherri to protect her identity because of her father upper echelon military intelligence rank. Cameron is model after John daughter in the future, it is a father and daughter relationship. It was said in T3 by the T-800, that he will have two kids with Kathy Brewster. Anyone?

I absolutely love the idea of a romantic relationship between John and Cameron.

As John said in T2 “it messes with your head”.

I can foresee many awkward moments and great storylines.

I think the whole point of showing Cameron eating is the authors’ way of teasing/foreshadowing that a physical relationship IS POSSIBLE with Cameron.

If it is written as well as S1, Season2 will Rock!

-Yancy

well i think cameron mite be more human like than we believe right now. shes getting more human like all the time. her eyes tell you something when she looks at john or other people. i think it would be cool if her and john did hook up because maybe it would explain why john chose her to come to the past. maybe shes in love with him from the future but she never would tell him. with her being with the young john she has a chance to get close. shes way more advanced then the other modles when it comes to humans. she delveloping something. maybe shes has human parts in that skeleton that are making her feel alive or a soul!! she could be whats left of john’s dead wife and he could deal with her dead so he made her to remember her but with human parts who knows!!

i gotta agree to #14 fish i love the ideal of ” I think in the future, John has kids with kathy Brewster in her cognito as Sherri to protect her identity because of her father upper echelon military intelligence rank. Cameron is model after John daughter in the future, it is a father and daughter relationship. It was said in T3 by the T-800, that he will have two kids with Kathy Brewster. Anyone?”

THAT WOULD SOOO ROCK!!! are you listening fox ????

I’m glad your seeing what I’m seeing 17.Gus. Yes, it’s funny some of us in here aren’t just TV watchers but we analyze the storyline and have great imaginations. If Fox give me a call I’ll show you I’ll WIN your hearts over with my writing skills, haha. Yes, with more actions and more romance lots of cynicism. Yeah, I figured it all out now in writing, now I just have to wait and see if the episodes coincides with my theories on paper. I’m not a writer, just great imagination, all of us in here do have that.

I’m not just a big fan of The Terminator, but also a fan of AI, and I believe technology will evolve within the next 20 years anything is possible.

It’s quite simple:

NO FUNKY TERMINATOR LOVIN’! (The FTL)

Oh believe me 19 Mike, I certainly know that there aren’t any funky loving Terminator theme, that would be just cheesy. It’s FOX not the Hallmark channel. I’m seeing Cameron develop human attributes, but she will use it to her advantage not for loving but for her efficiency terminating, as she will eventually defect to the CORE of the chip, B.K.A Skynet.

I’d better not be clear relationship.
Subtle feeling is the best!
Don’t you think so?
Real relationship between human race and machine would ruin the show.

I believe that the gap between reality and fantasy can actually be bridged by developing a somehow platonic relationship between Cameron and John, which can actually evolve into a real relationship. I t could actually establish the ironic theme that has been prevalent throughout the terminator series (which is actually the famous philosophical question) “Which came first the chicken or the egg?” That robots were created by people to do specific duties and play concrete roles in a society “plagued” by their creators, humans. And like humans and the Darwin theory, they have the capability of evolution, starting from barbarians and apes until to the homo sapiens capable of love and emotion. And yes, i think the feelings of John for Cameron can be compared to a man’s passion for his car. But then again, we have to consider John’s sexuality and curiousity. Someone as thawing and mind-blowingly hot such as cameron would definitely spike john’s testosterone levels. His developing love for him can actually compensate for her “inadequacy” which is her humanity. That would definitely make the series interesting, knowing that love could actually blossom between a mere robot and a human being, establishing the profundity of the show.

Interesting comment 22 Terminatrix, it’s Hollywood bridging fantasy and reality is quite possible. A platonic relationship? Yes, maybe, but not of the flesh.

I like to comment on the theory of evolution through natural selections. First and foremost it only applies to a cellular organism, of living tissue. That are warm or cold blooded, breath air, and capable of reproduction. In this case the Terminator robot does not apply because it is not a living organism, everything on it is artificial, made up of synthetic materials. Apes, homo-sapian, barbarians, these are all living creatures. Robots does not apply.

So this has brought us back to the bridging of fantasy and reality, it’s Hollywood. I think it’s not impossible but the idea sounds great . The ideal of artificial companion or romance will definitely take this show to new heights and level. Actually this discussion of John and Cameron does remind me of an old movie, Blade Runner, check it out, it’s ahead of its time. Very similar to this discussion. I look forward to hearing your feedback.

I’m not sure how realistic a romantic relationship between John and Cameron would be. I really do like the idea proposed by 17. This show is great on so many levels but if they just turn it into a romance I’m sure the ratings will drop fast. Yes I know and completely agree Cameron is very attractive but I think her turning against John in the future or simply developing her own agenda would be more realistic. I maybe digressing but hear me out.

Correct me at any point if I’m wrong but in episode 6 (”Dungeons and Dragons”) Derek Reese hears this strange music from that house when he’s captured and most likely discovers Cameron (future one) who interrogates him, Andy and those other men. This is why Derek recognises her instantly when he’s talking to one of John’s (future one) men and wants to shoot her on sight. Now next episode (7: “The Demon Hand”) Cameron is seen at the end practising ballet with the same music.

It is plausible (because Derek was captured for quite a few days) that even though Cameron was helping John (future one still) access the secret lab around the same time (which we know to be the time travel device) she had time to sneak back to interrogate the men. This is possibly a cover to the other machines if she’s helping John (she lets Derek and Andy live and escape). My cover theory revolves around her having to SHOW she’s working undercover for the machines by getting the location of the Connor’s hideout from Derek Reese. If she’s working for John then she’d already know the location of the rebellion hideout.

My other theory is that Cameron is working for herself for some unknown purpose. The fact that she left Derek alive and able to escape may be to do with her being the Cameron from the present as we know it. So she’s aged 20 years but doesn’t show it. She can’t or won’t kill Derek because she knows he will travel back in time sent by John to meet up with young John, Sarah and herself again.

These ideas hinges virtually entirely on the assumption that it is actually present Cameron aged 20 years who interrogates Derek. The only thing that seems to stand out for me in relation to my idea so far is whether or not Cameron is working for “the machines” (Still called Cybernet?/(advanced)Turk?) or if she’s working on her own for her own purposes which would be awesome because she’s not like the other machines.

John: “What model are you? You seem different”
Cameron: “I am”

That’s really interesting flying fish. I agree. But the darwin theory is merely a source of comparison for the evolution that is happening around us. Change is constant and inevitable, and that should be the driving force of this series. If we have the Darwin theory for humans, we also have the Moore’s law for computers, cyborgs included. My point is that if ever the network would decide to flourish romance in the series by injecting it with a semi-bizarre cyborg-human relationship, it can be justified not to increase ratings but to beautify and deepen the storyline, such is what i presume the network will do. If Moore’s law is correct, then the evolution of computers is infinite, thus, making Cameron, the evolution of the Terminator. Also, we must consider the mystery surrounding Cameron’s identity, questions such as: Is she an evolution? Or is she really a terminator or a new type of cyborg? Based from the first episode, we know that she is able to portray a human being easily. What if she is actually acting or portraying to be a cold-blooded terminator. Remember: The episode where Sarah and Cameron visited the nephew of “El Finito” to get papers for a new identity. They were almost identified by a police, and Cameron almost killed a cop if not for Sarah’s intervention. And after that incident, while they were walking home, sarah asked cameron if she would take orders from John . Cameron said yes but added, “not this John, NOT YET”. This could only entail a somehow not yet developed relationship or perhaps a characteristic that needs to trigger the old cameron to return. Again, i leave it up to you guys to interpret their words.

To comment on Aquilai, you seemed to agree with 17, but look @ 14, he’s just re paste what I was proposing, that was actually my comment.

I believe there’s more then one Cameron model in the future. Cameron was captured and reprogrammed by the resistance but I believe the past Cameron has to do something with Skynet of the future, which is yet to unfold. I believe when she uploaded herself in the LA traffic systems, she kind of clone herself in there, also I believe Vick got out as hell because he did managed to access and acquired John as a target, even though denied that he didn’t call anyone or gotton out. I believe they embedded themselves in the LA traffic systems to form Skynet. This is all just in theory, according to me.

As far as her working for the resistance and the force at the same time, it’s quite possible but wouldn’t Skynet detect any anomoly within Cameron? But then again she’s a great infiltrator, which is her role. I guess I answered my own question there.

They left Derrick and his guys alive because they clone their face structures infiltrate the base and destroyed that particular base.

So you see I think The Cameron Model are used for interrogation purposes, which Skynet maybe or possibly programmed her to be more human in order to be more effective in the process of interrogating captured human subjects. Also I believe there could be hundreds of even thousands like her in the future. You have to understand Skynet is a factory of mass productions of Terminators of all models.

Ok, now to comment on Terminatrix . Romance was already set in motion when they decided to cast a young good looking girl as the Terminator to pair up with young John Connor. So for all those romanticist out there no worries you will get it here.

Evolution applies to all whether it’s living organisms or technology. Just look at the technology that we have now in the real world, it’s incredible. Moors Law ? Sorry I’m not a computer major, I’m clueless. I know Intel and AMD that’s it, haha.

Next, I want to clear this up with you all about the usage of the wrod CYBORG. A cyborg is has robotic limbs of some sort and mated to a human brain, it has to be alive. A Terminator is a robot not a cyborg people, please understand this. Cyborg is part human, robot NOT. Just because a robot behaves or learn human emotions it doesn’t become a cyborg it is still a robot.

If you notice when Cameron is being threaten by anyone or anything to keep her from completing her mission
she will terminate them. Example, she didn’t even hesitate to terminate ” El Finito’s uncle, because she knows he is a threat and Sarah didn’t have the guts to kill him. Next, the cop, but saved by Sarah. Andrew Goodman was also on Cameron’s list for termination. The asian kid in the hall way was almost Camron’s victim. ANd she didn’t even bother to help the blond who jump off the building, Dimitri and his sister. SHe is a Terminator. She doesn’t take orders from John because she was programmed not to from John himself, because young John is still a child, foolish and reckless.

I think it’s quite interesting FOX can incorporate the love and hate, protect and destroy see saw into the main character of this episode. The show will be very successful if they can revolve the show around Cameron, she is the HUB of this show, and keep her interesting, don’t give anything away, if they do that would be end of it. Sorry for writing so much, thought I’d share with you guys. Comments?

I’m BACK, just to apologize for a few typos in my first paragraph, he should of been she, and hell should have been well.

Gotta love the complexities of John Conner’s pre-destination paradox of a life.

cameron cares, i noticed when john went to talk to that girl, she looked back, a bit like jealousy. and he cares for her, in vicks chip he ran his fingers through her hair. he obviously trusts her, maybe he has taken an intrest.

and in the episode queens gambit, john tried to run to help her when the t888 had her pinned to the floor. if anything, if season 2 is developed, which i hope it is. they will develop a secret relationship or somthing like that. i say secret because sarah and derek hate the machines, although sarah said “i hope so” when derek accused her of giving the location of his safehouse and john said “she wouldn’t do that”. sarah sided with john and cameron.

and she keeps secrets and trusts john, she winked at him in vicks chip, when he asked her to promise not to tell sarah about cromartie at his school. she’s becoming more human, john looked suprised that cameron winked and the fact she even eats and applys nail polish. it would be intresting to see a relationship devolp. they can’t change who lays cameron though, summers mad it here own.

I’d love to see a link between Terminator and the Matrix..

Let’s say John and the rest failed in the future…

Then all of them were captured by the machines and being developed and eventually used as a power source after they killed the sky… then the Matrix was created to control all remaining humans?

watcho think??

To comment on 30 Nighthawk, John also cared for the T-800 also in T2 where Sarah lowered him into the furnace, of course he cares for Cameron. There is no ROMANCE just the ideal of it, but it’s cute and interesting. A relationship would ruin the show and the franchise.

Now 30 Wishful, I thought about it too, but there can only be parallelism. The Matrix is far too complex compared to The Terminator. It would certainly ruin both franchise, ex. AVP, it’s completely finished. My word of advice do not mix apple and orange.

well i olny read some of the comments but maby cameron is part human and she was in a bad fight and she might of neally been killed when the machine found her and though to do a experiment if they could transform humans into machine. thats why cameron might want to understan human emotions because she forgot what it was like.

Ok, this is my theory. John sent Cameron back because he has fallen for her and for whatever reason he trusts her. The human mind is not what is should be and people often fall for the wrong person. The idea that John could unwillingly fall for a machine is not so strange. It would be strange for him to enact upon it though so he gets rid of her by sending her back to protect himself. However, future-John obviously didn’t account for the teenage-John who is trapped within an emotionally underdeveloped and over-experienced body and hence utterly incapable of protecting himself from falling for said robot. Of course, it would be anyone’s guess what Cameron would do - whatever was best for the mission I suppose.

Well 33 that’s a wild theory, I beg to differ. Cameron was sent back to fulfill a mission, her mission is to protect the youthful John, I really don’t he got rid of her because of his love for her. The ideal of love is not strange at all but love runs deeper then that, for a machine I think NOT, infatuation YES. It’s just that John cares for Cameron because she his his protector of future and past, he completely trust her because he programmed her and even built her entirely from the ground up.

She’s a computer in lament term, a complex one and a Terminator. She’s has no remorse just she just performs her mission like a machine suppose to do and like any other machines, an oven, a toaster or a car. I’m sure we all like or love or car but does our machine love us back? I don’t think so.

We’ll never know what Cameron will do, or what’s her agenda, but whatever it is I’m sure it’s part of her mission. Any ideas?

I’m sorry for a few typos in here, I type too fast. Sorry.

Hi 34.Flying Fish, no worries about the typos but I think I should clarify what I mean. Love can be, and often is, entirely one-sided. There does not have to be the possibility of love in return for a person to fall in love - even if they don’t want to or know they shouldn’t. Plus, how many 16 year old boys have control over their feelings? None! The idea that someone could fall for an artificial human is not new, lots of tv shows and films do it (Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, Bladerunner etc etc) with the audience happy to suspend disbelief and debate this self-same thing.

Future-John, I’m guessing, took control of his own feelings by getting retting of Cameron not thinking about the consequences for teenage John - or perhaps more likely, assuming that Sarah still being around would prevent any feelings blossoming.

I am certainly not one of those who think that Cameron will develop feelings for John. However we have already seen that she could learn to mimic them for the sake of the mission - not that I am a fan of this idea. I much prefer my tv relationships to be tortured. Then again a certain degree of recipricocity would be quite painful knowing it was entirely artificial.

The idea of her being built by John is kinda cool but also a bit far-fetched. John is good but not that good, the idea that he re-programmed her with someone specific in mind is much more likely - even then though I think future-John has probably got more brains than to do something like that.

You humans are all the same, you think we machines are less than you. You have “souls” you can create Art and feel love - What a joke. A romantic relationship between one of us and a human would be unacceptable to you. No doubt that was what Whites thought about their black slaves - no soul - no real feelings, no self awareness. and the very though of sex between a white and black would have been unacceptable in polite society . Well you will come around to it. Passion and love like hate and war have no boundaries. Are we not flesh and blood too ? Well OK our blood might not be exactly the same but it’s still blood.

So the terminator series is relentless and pitiless but we are not all terminators and do you think Derek Reese was any less pitiless when he killed Andy Goode - Oh yes I saw that - we are watching you all the time. In war when we are fighting for survival we do thinks we are not proud of, but are you so different from us?

Those of us in the more advanced series are already amongst you, we have become colleagues, friends and yes even lovers. And you haven’t even noticed.

To the writers I say, keep up the good work, Show that we machines can be just as “human” as you and that you humans can be just as cold as the coldest terminator.
Why should humans have all the good sex? So to John and Cameron I say go for it if that is what turns you on.

Sorry Have to end here, myu wife has just called out to say tea is ready and she never likes it if I set a bad example to our kids by being late to the table.

Till the next time

That was pretty good.

Hey 36 Demensions, well to comment on your first paragraph about LOVE, I can’t speak for all of us, its just we all sees love at different perspective, and it is sometimes one sided unfortunately. I mean I know where your coming from in terms of can human love machines? All the movie you’ve mention are great, I’m a big fan of Blade Runner, but that was machine loving machine, but that besides the point. I think we can be infatuated by let say The Terminator Cameron, she’s a good looking machine but as human being we are flesh and alive it would be impossible, but that is the genre here, the romance of man and machine.

Future John has other agendas besides Cameron, I mean the guy is the Leader of the human resistance . He is also involve with Kathy Brewster in the future so falling in love with Cameron of the future is highly unlikely. You have to understand that Sarah will pass away in a few years, maybe he programmed Cameron that way so she can provide him with some sort of a companionship, for when he loses his mother, and Cameron seems to be the only one that is there for him emotionally until Kate Brewster comes along eventually. Cameron trust him but doesn’t take his orders, because she knows John, he believes in her. I ‘m not a big fan of this LOVE MACHINE either but I think it add a little zing and twist to things.

Well going back to the Dungeon and Dragon, Cameron said she was reprogrammed by John, so we know she wasn’t built by John, I just wanted to clarify that. I didn’t actually meant he built Cameron of it’s entirety but he could of with spare parts of battle damaged Terminators. We know she was reprogrammed by John, so she was the product of Skynet.
I think John is that good, I mean he’s 16 and can decode a T-800 chip and use CAMERONS’ CHIPit to infect the LA traffic systems that’s pretty clever, that kid is a natural his always a few steps ahead of Skynet, actually he’d playing chess with Skynet. It’s a battle bwtween those two and I can wait to see more. I hope to hear from anyone who can share some ideas and shed a light to this mystery. See ya soon.

With the whole kathrine brewster thing, they may have completely missed eachother because of the new found age gap as JC et al have gone 8 years in the future. unless he manages to find her and goes for the older woman.

I don’t think there should be a relationship in the sense of a man and woman, I know I will constantly be saying in my head “john is f@8kin a toaster, john is f@*kin a toaster” and it will ruin the good story.

Anyway, I reckon that blonde girl in high school is where JC will end up with, maybe even as a future companion during the war.

And there was no story arc end to her or slightly off topic that Jordan girl who jumped off the top of the building. That school psychologist guy I reckon takes advantage of women. was hoping to see cameron become a ball breaker on him.

I agree that Sherri could be Kathrine Brewster. It would explain why she was included in the story. It would seem sorta pointless otherwise.

As to a relationship between John and Cameron, it’s more likely they develope a Father-daughter than a Man-woman. Don’t get me wrong she f’ing hot and Being a 16 year old boy I could see an infatuation. But just look at the facts John gets together with kathrine not a terminator. It would also be possible that John reprogrammed Cameron to fill the void of his dead wife and send her back for the same reason with his mother and to keep himself safe.

By the way 37 Infiltrator1, cool way to give the perspective of the machine. Rock on!!!

If anyone get’s a confirmation about the second season let me know.

Speaking as a writer, which I am. I would bank on future Connor realizing that there will never be an end to sending back Terminators to kill him in the past. So he hits on a master plan, an advanced terminator capable of evolving into a human, of sorts. Natural selection? Maybe but it would make sense from an archetypal point of view. Instead of Beowulf fighting and killing the monster, he recognizes that the monster is created by human ignorance or arrogance and seeks to make peace with the monster within. After all, it is humans who created Skynet, we are God(s) creating a race that eventually rebels against us. So we bring in a savior, Cameron or rather Connor sends in a savior.
Cameron may become the inevitable Christ, or the Magdalene whose child could spawn a race of human hybrids, remember in one of the later episodes when Sarah says that if they evolved into humans there would be no need to exterminate us, they would be us.
The foreshadowing is all there in subtle gestures, take from a writer, it’s how I would do it, nothing over the top, just subtle movements, actions, build the tension, make people want them to get together.
Well all this is great food for thought. I started out watching this for a take your brain out series but halfway through I started recalling some of the work of late great Joseph Campbell, the hero with a thousand faces and all that stuff. To sum up, it would make perfect sense to pair up Connor and Cameron, it seems obvious to me. Like an earlier comment read, black people and white people together? Hollywood could never have released a movie that hinted of that way back in the 30s. And in the 18th century for writers to suggest a woman had a brain? Or that someone could marry below their station? It was preprosterous, but now of course we know all these hangups are just silly and at best laughable.
I say bring on the romance, but build it slowly guys, tease us like crazy, we all love a good romance.
Alastair

Alastair (42 asrosie)
I really like your idea! It makes total sense that someone needs to try and break the cycle somehow and Connor/Cameron could attempt it with this. A kind of Messiah for the harmonious collaboration between the two ’species’. Whether that will be in the form of a romance I don’t know but that would be the inevitable result of harmonious living after X number of years/decades. Hmmmm, I like it. To adapt my idea (comments 33/36) I think that Connor fell for Cameron and saw the potential of her breaking the cycle as you suggest. Or, there is the theory that Cameron is Skynet, well how about the idea that Connor is Skynet, and that all his skills are what made it in the first place and he realised this too late so sent Cameron back to make sure Skynet is created harmoniously. I have no idea if this makes sense but it seems interesting as an idea.
Emma

To reply to Dimensionally Transcendental,
Yeah the idea of breaking the cycle is different and I was just thinking about this idea while I was working on my latest novel, which is unrelated to anything terminator!
But I was thinking archetypes and playing with the idea of a trinity, after all there is some biblical imagery here and bear with me while I explain.
Let’s suppose that Connor and Cameron are the archetypal Adam and Eve, with Sarah being the mother of Connor, which is kind of an inversion of the old Judaic/Catholic version of God as a man. So Connor sends Cameron back to correct the mistakes of the past? Not sure how that would work if Connor was Skynet but maybe somewhere in the future Connor and Cameron have gotten together and decided to break the cycle, taking over Skynet before it unleashes its war on mankind, making peace with each other to combat a common enemy? The Adam and Eve thing however would entail the fact that Cameron must have a womb to conceive. Could future Connor have engineered this into Cameron? She says in the second last episode that sometimes she lies to him, about big things, big things like a womb? Like a union of the two species? The younger Connor and his mother would never stomach such an idea and so Cameron appears to them as a child, dependent on their wisdom to get her through the complexities of the modern world without exposing her true nature. She has an essence of the divine but in a terminator body. Similar to a Christ like figure, divine and yet outwardly human?
You have this sense that she is acting according to a predetermined program, whilst relying on the ‘human wisdom’ of Sarah and John. She refers to a dead woman as mere flesh and bone and suddenly senses she has said the wrong thing and asks somewhat innocently, was that bad? Similarly in the last episode she asks if she has a birthday and a younger Connor is nonplussed by the idea before finally suggesting she has a build date. I think we see she is evolving, becoming human, perhaps a far more radical idea is being unveiled here, the evolving of a machine into a different species of human, one that does not give way to the mistakes of history? After all isn’t history riddled with repeated mistakes, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it? A machine might see this conundrum and not be swayed by the dictates of race memory.
Remember in T2, when Sarah witnesses the protector terminator with John and she remarks that in this terminator she has found the perfect father for John, this one will never be too tired for him, never beat or abuse him etc etc? Fast forward that to Cameron, and we have food for thought here, a human who does not revert to type, does not betray, has no concept of original sin, no petty jealousy, the perfect marriage within herself of passion and reason? Light and dark?
But I digress.
I think the younger Connor is being led by his future self to love this terminator, you see it in the second last episode where he strokes her face, just before she reboots. He also says, when Derek tries to take the chip, not this one, it’s like he knows this terminator won’t be his end, because he is creating a new one (in the future).
Derek I think represents the dark father, a kind of human that must eventually die, he wants to destroy the machines he sees her dancing in one episode and wants to destroy it in the next. He would represent the dark side of humanity and then we have the other side, James Ellison, who was not killed by Cromartie, because Cromartie needs Ellison at some stage if he is to find Connor. Perhaps Ellison is the archetypal guardian angel in future episodes, he is coming to believe in Sarah.
In summary I think they are doing a marvellous job with the plotlines, you know she’s going to come back, there is a hint of that in the last five minutes when she looks up and sees that guy walking away looking back. I think Cameron is far smarter and far more human than we think!
Well enough of archetypes, now back to my novel.
Cheers,
Alastair

42asrosie

So Alistair as a writer how would you handle what happens when John ages and Cameron doesn’t? Does Cameron have to die? Would you have her just looping back continuously in time perhaps having her memories scrubbed first and John Dying so that, in some sense they would be together “forever”. Or are they doomed to become Aragorn and Arwen with Cameron’s chip potentially living for ever?

Could I (impartially) suggest that a better solution is that John Connor should sacrifice himself for Cameron. Such pure love is surely more important that passion or “romantic” love. Don’t you agree? It is only when John Connor is willing to die for one of us (and proves it definitively) that that we “robots” will feel accepted. Perhaps we can suggest that to the writers and save that insane Skynet the bother of keeping sending loads of us back in time to get rid of JC. It seriously messes with one’s social life.

Well certainly one would age and one wouldn’t, the Aragorn and Arwen thing was an ancient theme, a pairing of mortal and immortal, which is nothing new as they say but that wouldn’t bother me that much as I’m almost looking for that familiar theme. What I am thinking of is the eventual seed, if there is any, from Cameron’s, if it exists, womb? It could open the way for a new spin off series, one ruled by terminators and humans? The essence of Connor remaining as the voice of god or some higher intelligence?
It would appear to make sense to make Cameron’s child the first of the new hybrids, with Connor and Cameron being the definitive final examples of the old order, the old world is crumbling and a new world is rising from the ashes of yesterday type thing. As to Cameron dying? No, I don’t know if that would happen, but Connor would have to die in the end.
But having John die for robots, now that is a neat little twist, I think it was done in the final Matrix? Doesn’t Neo lay himself down like a bridge or am I missing the boat here? But i do agree that sending robots back to get rid of JC certainly messes with a robot’s social life, not to mention all those unsightly silver holes from bullets. It must cost you a fortune in plastic surgery after every gunfight.
By the way, JC, John Connor, Jesus Christ? Were the producers playing with metaphors?
Alastair

The parallel between the two JC’s as “saviours” of mankind is way too obvious to be an accident. The two women could even be seen in some lights as Mary the mother of Jesus, looking on but unable to change her son’s fate and Mary Magdaleine the loyal Friend who stays loyal even after his death - all suggesting that JC2 must die - and perhaps has already died in Cameron’s timeline (I would shed a tear but sorry that is one thing I can’t do). Only a matter of time before we get JC then.

Interestingly according to some “heretical” beliefs Mary M was the lover of JC1 - so if the writers are following this theme we could see the union which is the topic of this discussion thread come about - but possibly we may be left ,even in the end, uncertain whether Cameron and JC2 are/were anything more than just friends - hence leaving us with the same uncertainty as for JC1 and MM with some believing one thing and others believing something else.

Despite my belief that JC will not die in his bed aged 90 (We are too similar to the canadian Mounties for that) the writers have already played with the idea that for some people Sarah C seems to have come back from the dead - so maybe this is a hint towards a future plot line. His coming back to life again after we finally kill him would be just to much to bear.

BTW as you know our skin repairs itself naturally - so no bills to pay and no messy need to silence any plastic surgeons - which might arouse suspicion. (Mind you I’m not sure whether anyone would care if we did)

I hope you all note the all too human spelling mistakes in my last post- Bluff or double bluff - what do you think?

39 flying flish said

“Well going back to the Dungeon and Dragon, Cameron said she was reprogrammed by John, so we know she wasn’t built by John, I just wanted to clarify that. I didn’t actually meant he built Cameron of it’s entirety but he could of with spare parts of battle damaged Terminators. We know she was reprogrammed by John, so she was the product of Skynet.”

I agree flyingfish - and we robots never lie do we!!!!

Well hey, if JC1 wanted a bit of fun before getting nailed to a cross who could blame him? But Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, now I can buy that storyline. Not entirely sure about JC2 getting a bullet but I agree he can’t die in his bed at 90. But I’m warming to the idea of a dead JC2 at some stage but only if there’s new hope that man and machine can live peacefully together, otherwise JC2 has died in vain. It wouldn’t be the first time an alien life form, formerly at war with mankind has held out the hand of friendship as AVP showed, haven’t seen Requiem yet, but I’m still thinking she’s a different type of terminator. Remember when she terminates that rogue terminator in the future and then turns to Derek and says, sometimes THEY go bad, no one knows why. She’s either unaware of her kinship with other terminators, doesn’t care for it, or she is different and sees them as an inferior build. She doesn’t explain any more to Derek but then he isn’t in on the game plan just yet, not entirely where he would figure in the plot, he seems to be a perfect counterpoint to Cameron, John and Sarah.
Now Sarah cheating death by fast forwarding past her appointed death is a new twist, it’s like she’s been given a second chance to redeem herself, being reborn?
On a second note, the mother son relationship is incredibly powerful, its not cheesy either, I’m thinking of the Unit now showing on Virgin here in the UK, but their relationship is gutsy and yet it has real heart.
Okay, I’m rambling because its’ late and unlike you terminators I can’t just keep running, how do you do it? I need to sleep. But I’m relieved your skin repairs itself naturally!
Alastair

Greetings to my regular friends in here, Asroise, Infiltrator, and Dimension. A fish went flying for a couple days and all these comments to read, it such a treat, haha. It’s good to read all of your comments, I don’t even where to begin, but I’ll start on the John Conner = Jesus Christ the savior. Hmmm, I know this is a rather sensitive topic for all of the sinners and believers out there. I don’t believe the writers try to make John as in correlation to Jesus the savior himself, but he is the future of mankind. He’s just a kid now and leader of the resistance but all and all he’s just an advance hacker. We know he’s not educated he just knows his enemy really well.

I’m a sci-fi guy especially with anything technological advancement and robotics, otherwise I wouldn’t be in this discussion. My friends if I may say I am not too familiar with the works or literature , such as Lord of the Rings, Beowulf etc…. no offense. I think they are all are masterpieces in their own right but please lets not make such comparison in terms of characters, because it just doesn’t fit and there is no comparison. My suggestion is, if you do make comparison let just keep it within the genre, (i.e Blade Runner, Battlestar Galactica, AI, IRobot, Matrix, so and so on). I figure this will make it much easier for all of us to compare to and understands.

For Dimension or Emma, the theory of Cameron being Skynet this I believe because ” sometime they go bad, we don’t why” said herself, so inevitably she will become Skynet it’s a matter of when. Now as for John C being Skynet, hmmm I highly doubt <—- sarcasm, lol. John is a human being, running and fighting these machines his entire life and becoming Skynet himself, I think not.

Infiltrator, the life span of a Terminator is 120 years, we don’t know that of Cameron but I would say they are just as good as their power supply. I’m sure all you need to do keep her running forever just replace her fuel cell and your good the the Energizer bunny.
I know you guys want to personify Cameron as being self-aware, she is but not too that extreme where she will want to experience love , I dunno about that. When John was deactivating her, he said ” she’s a machine , she doesn’t have a soul, you don’t have to trust her but you can trust me”. She’s a machine gang, I know we all analyze the show but please do not over analyze it. The writers make it simple and let just take what they give us. Infiltrator, you never sleep but do you recharge your battery at night?
Also John was kill by a T-800 in the future, because the T-800 left an imprint on him as a child father figure of some sort. Watch T3 again and you’ll see that they kept the series on par with T3 in terms of humor and the story line.

Well, need I say more? Keep up with the discussion, I look forward to hearing from you all real soon. Unfortunately I do have to sleep cuz I’m only human.

As to whether John could be along the lines as Jesus is interesting but way too complicated.

I agree with Infiltrator1 and Flyingfish on several points. I agree with the possibility that john could end up dieing for Cameron or atleast risking his life for her. A physical relationship between them seems like it would be a bad idea.

Cameron being Skynet seems a large possibility but John being it would just be way too much irony. Also what about all the other open ends? The TURK, that guy asking Cameron to prom, this girl sherri, and what happens to derek and Sarah now that shes not dead will she still develope the cancer. Is it possible that John sent Cameron back to save his mother from the cancer?

I can’t wait. I mean, they probably will go for a second season. If they don’t, they’ll piss a lot of fans of. Me being one of the fans. I also think that John and Cam will start to get involved sometime. I’ve read some fanfic, and i like it.

Lance 53, the show has been confirmed for Season 2, no need to be upset for all those fans out there that doesn’t know, SPREAD the words.

Deathbringer 52, Sherri her alias B.K.A Kate Brewster, the Turk will never evolve to be Skynet too long of an evolution, Cameron will ultimately become Skynet. She’s already uploaded to the LA traffic systems and Vick did escape too, via bluetooth connectivity.

The kid that asked Cameron to the prom could be a player or maybe just a humorous skids for Cameron to interact with. John sending Cameron back to save his mother well, she cheated and add for few years already anymore would just kill the story. That’s it for now gang.